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populationcontrol · Aug 24, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

i ss necro a lot for ecto farming 2 man in uw. the other day when advertising for a 55 or 105 an ele added himself and i wound up 2 maning uw with an earth ele. its was awesome because he could bring visages (having high energy, unlike 55s) reducing my energy management issues letting me focus on damage and invest in soul reaping. the reason im posting is he never loged on again and i think he was way better than most 55s (in the sense he never died at the begining like half the 55s ive played with, i also prefer 105s to 55s) and it would be a cool alternative to diversify current uw strategy if more people would use their eles for this.

he used an eles / mes with obsidian flesh, armor of earth, stone striker, mantra of earth, anscestors visage, sympathetic visage, stone flesh aura and maybe some ward (not sure which).

i thought it was epic for someone to tank withought monk secondary or reliance on monk so effectively. the weakness of this build is having stone flesh aura interrupted (practically only way he will die) and i cant figure out a crafty way to avoid that, i was thinking maybe using a slow spell but all ur armor stuff slows u down too. also you need to own all expansions to make this build and im not sure if armor would be effective in hard mode. regardless i think its a more than valid strategy and should be used more often.

Moral55 · Aug 24, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I don't know if the ward was super important, but since you can't even remember what ward was used I'll assume it's not.
If thats the case you could bring " Glyph of Concentration " instead, it has a vary short cast time and allows you KNOW that the all important spell (stone flesh aura in this case) is not going to be interrupted. the spell after it too ^-^.

Edit. Too help others out there, The above build will require you have a +20% enchant item on you. Stone flash aura has a 15 sec recharge and at 16 earth a 16 sec duration, the extra time affored by the 20% enchant item is thus necessary.

populationcontrol · Aug 24, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

he said he was using a stance already when i sugested using that, your probably right on the necesity to have +20 enchants runes are prob high as well. im going to guess was ward was anti meelee but dont hold me to it

Age · Aug 24, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

It is still better to use the 55 build in the UW.

populationcontrol · Aug 24, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

i disagree, in the sense that the ele can take boths visages and doesnt have energy management issues because of it, as opposed to monk who will insist you (the ss) should take them. if ele can bring them for you you can invest alot more in damge and energy gaining skills making it easier from the necromancers perspective (never played as 55, or monk for that matter)

Sakura Az · Aug 25, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

i don't know why all those monks ar not running the visages.. i can run both of them with my 105 SOA monk.

populationcontrol · Aug 25, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

yeah 105 i think have more energy and often bring visages thats true. just saying that as necro not having to bring it is a relief. i prefer 105s with visages to the average 55 to be honest.

Mickey · Aug 25, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

yeah 105 i think have more energy and often bring visages thats true. just saying that as necro not having to bring it is a relief.

The unique way to get around interrupts for an ele/mes is either mantra of resolve/concentration or glyph of concenration iirc.

the Puppeteer · Aug 25, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

you need mantra of earth for the dmg reduction & energy gain. glyph of concentration would be good then

ca_aok · Aug 25, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

105s have maybe 6 more energy at best, which is meaningless since both 55s and 105s get their energy from bath's spirit. Both 55s and 105s can bring visages, it just means no essence bond and no defensive stance for them, so they're more prone to interruption.

As for the necro... you should NEVER have energy problems. When I ran UW I usually had a 15/-1 set that I would swap to for the initial combo (back in those days it was SV-echo-SS-SS-reckless-AV-SS-SS or something like that) and then return to a normal energy set afterwards to mop up the monsters with desecrate/defile. And you should've always been able to invest in Soul Reaping since you can get almost constant visage coverage at r9 illusion if you bring a 20% enchanting set.

populationcontrol · Aug 25, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

if i had factions i would definitely make this build thought it was awesome would be cool to see it in toa more often. might be hard cause so little players have all 3 expansions but maybe you can make a variation owning only two, ill give it a shot and post it if i can make one.

Coloneh · Aug 25, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

you apparently just met someone who was very good at their build. that ele build isnt new at all, and 55s have the potential to do it better. theres just to many crappy ones.

populationcontrol · Sep 06, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

yeah so i failed massively but in recreating it but i think i got runes all wrong. 55s are good most of the time but you know always reluctant to take visages and im sure there better for say that uw fire spider quest than this build but its a good alternative if you have are 3 expansions.

rigorss · Sep 21, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/Me_Underworld_Tank

this is the build what u ment, and it uses no wards at all... ive tried it works fine.

populationcontrol · Sep 23, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

awesome thanks for posting it*, the kinetic makes more sense once u see it

drupal · Sep 23, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by Mickey

The unique way to get around interrupts for an ele/mes is either mantra of resolve/concentration or glyph of concenration iirc.

If the ele keeps up the visages they don't even need something against interrupts.

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

awesome thanks for posting it*, the kinetic makes more sense once u see it

Armor of Earth is enough in NM. Kinetic is just needed in HM.

The ele tank is nice but I'd prefer 55/105 because the ele is kind of slower :x